Right forearm takeaway

[12 piece bucket]

I have a bone to pick with this post because what your actually saying with this idea of a constant degree of wristbend is impossible with anything other than shots preformed with angled hinging with no usage of the acc. no 2 or 3 (basic motion). I completely disagree with your interpretation of the right flying wedge.

I do realise that short shots is what is being addressed but have seen you say this before many times where this is not applicable.

The myth of constant degree of wristbend - Lets just take the swinging procedure for these examples ok - The right hand is turned towards the inclined plane. Now a constant degree of wristbend is impossible because the right arm is bending.

This picture I created a while back will help illustrate this...



The myth of the level right wrist. How the right flying wedge really works is that when the right hand turns towards the plane on the backstroke - what was wristbend becomes wristcock and the right forearm is aligned to making its motion directly opposed to the inclined plane with a direct relationship with the clubhead. If you turn the right hand and maintain a level right wrist - you have infact destroyed the right flying wedge... infact what your saying is actually a bit silly.

What your saying is that you think the forearm would point along this line...



You have still have alot to learn.....

When is the right forearm on plane? Is it on plane with all the plane angles?

[Mathew]

When is the right forearm on plane? Is it on plane with all the plane angles?

Ideally the right forearm will be on the inclined plane at impact.....

Ideally the right forearm will be directly opposed (vertical to) another plane hitting/swinging per 7-3....

[Bagger Lance]

Ideally the right forearm will be on the inclined plane at impact.....

Ideally the right forearm will be directly opposed (vertical to) another plane hitting/swinging per 7-3....

Is it safe to say based on your model, that a "level" right wrist is mandatory in order to keep the right forearm wedge intact, but the right wrist bend is variable based on grip type, procedure, etc. Don't confuse right wrist cock with right elbow bend/cock?

[joe curtis]

Is it safe to say based on your model, that a "level" right wrist is mandatory in order to keep the right forearm wedge intact, but the right wrist bend is variable based on grip type, procedure, etc. Don't confuse right wrist cock with right elbow bend/cock?

bagger, were you in slidell with the group? if so, what did the three d show on right wrist cock?

[Bagger Lance]

bagger, were you in slidell with the group? if so, what did the three d show on right wrist cock?

Hi Joe - Sorry no, I wasn't.

My sense is that a level right wrist is something we "intend" to keep aligned, but if the clubhead is thrown to the end, it would take a lot of forearm strength to keep the right wrist from cocking. I don't have the eyes to see in Mathews 3D model how the right wrist is cocking assuming the right elbow is in the correct position for the swinger loading the sweetspot.

Likewise, a powerful pivot in the downstroke would increase wristcock and potentially effect the right wrist alignment but in this case, an onplane clubhead/shaft would temper a "wild" right wrist into the release interval.

I'm more concerned about the correct amount of right wrist bend.
I'll be the first to admit I have a lot to learn.

[Mathew]

OK ... lets see if this makes it a lil easier to understand...

[Jeff]

Mathew

I find your verbal opening remarks and smirking facial expressions insulting to serious students of the TGM. I also find your video demonstration amateurish. I think that you should at least stand in front of a video camera and perform "real life" golf motion movements instead of sitting in a chair using a book. It is my belief that one can maintain a level right wrist (without right wrist upcocking), while maintaining a constant right wrist bend, during the backswing motion because of three motion phenomena occurring simultaneously - i) the right elbow is folding and ii) the right upper arm is simultaneously rotating at shoulder level and iii) the upper torso is simultaneously rotating in space. If you don't believe that it is possible, then at least produce a video demonstration using a golf club (used in a golf posture) to illustrate your contrary opinion.

Jeff.

[Bagger Lance]

OK ... lets see if this makes it a lil easier to understand...

Mathew,

I'm with you on the variable right wrist bend, no problem there as long as the ultimate goal is to arrive at impact with the intended degree of bend as established at impact fix. In fact, variability in bend is necessary for swingers starting from adjusted address.

In terms of the right wristcock, a swinger loads against the right forearm which may or may not be "on plane" at the end. (That is, directly opposed the the plane of the left wristcock motion through release). It's a structural alignment. The hitter loads the same way but, the right forearm is "on plane" against the loading and the right forearm flying wedge is aligned.

That said, a swinger can also load like a hitter and theres nothing wrong with it IMHO.

Look forward to your next video but work on being kinder and gentler to your fellow classmates.

[joe curtis]

OK ... lets see if this makes it a lil easier to understand...

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[Mathew]

Is it safe to say based on your model, that a "level" right wrist is mandatory in order to keep the right forearm wedge intact, but the right wrist bend is variable based on grip type, procedure, etc. Don't confuse right wrist cock with right elbow bend/cock?

No what I am saying is that both the right wrist bend and the right wristcock actually changes also... however the right flying wedge remains constant with the wrist conditions dynamically changing whilst the right forearm moves vertically to the plane which it is opposing.

What Bucket was saying in his post is actually impossible - its not 'my model'!

I do not confuse anything - people that understand my post will understand why what Bucket said is impossible....