For some reason, before today's posts, I never really understood the fascination with Hogan's swing. What a bonehead I am. 12 Piece really has me fired up about it now!
Kevin
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I remember that as well. I think he was referring to dropping the right shoulder creating more axis tilt at start down. I think this new theory of Mr. Bucket is Mr. Hogan's prescription to cure that very problem. This idea - alignment - "feel" would help you stay on top of the ball the way YODA does. Purely my opinion... I hope YODA jumps in to give us the blessing before I go ALL IN!
Kevin
Thanks . . . . but can't take credit for this idea . . . Eddie Cox has been talking about this for awhile now . . . I just never really "got it." . . . feeling . . . connect the right shoulder to the "pocket" above the left elbow joint . . . seems to pressure the lever assembly down
Nice thread Bucket. If I may I add a couple of thoughts for everyones consideration:
- The Right Shoulder being able to take the Power Package down the Inclined Plane is the basis for the Turned Shoulder Plane (range of Angles) and the Standard Shoulder Turn which Mr Kelley identified and recommended in 12-1 and 12-2.
- Re Mr Hogans Right Shoulder and Left Arm and their alignment to one another: The Left ARm is not on the Inclined Plane except for full swings in which the #3 Power Accumulator is Zeored.........gripping the club through the life line of the left hand as one would do in Basic Motion or Putting commonly. Something Mr Hogan didnt do if you recall the illustrations from his book. Therefore the prime consideration is really the relationship of the Right Shoulder to the Hands as its the Hands which are on Plane while the Left Arm is not.
-In the first photo Mr Hogan's Left ARm is roughly in line with his Right Shoulder but in lower photos it has dropped somewhat. Yes, this is normal Id say. But if you dont mind I'd like to talk about the Hands a bit: The Hands appear to be approximately on the same plane as the Right Shoulder in Startdown , the first photo. Hard to say cause you cant see the ball, but assuming that to be true.....this is by definition a TSP being employed. The best way to Startdown. However in the latter photos his Hands (and his left arm too) can be seen to be getting lower vis a vis the Right Shoulder .............this is to my mind caused by two things: 1. He is dropping his Hands to a lower plane an Elbow Plane . Which for Mr Hogan given his flat backswing Plane wasnt much of a drop in terms of degrees when looking at it "down the line". 2. The free ride that the Hands get courtesy of the Right Shoulder down the TSP does not last past Startdown. The Right Shoulder cant make it all the way to the Ball on the Turned Shoulder Plane. The Hands, the entire Power Package in fact continue the journey on their own without the pulling of the Right Shoulder as they have broken free, are accelerating away from the Right Shoulder by the commencement of the Downswing (Release). The Right Shoulder then levels out some normally ......... So the relationship between Right Shoulder and Hands (or Left ARm) will always get more divergent after Startdown, particularly for those that are in the process of shifting to a lower plane.
-the "perverted" Axis Tilt is so disgusting I can barely describe it but suffice it to say that instead of a Hip Slide to lower the Right Shoulder (the axis of the shoulders) all the time with a centered Head its a grotesque tilting of the shoulders (without the Hip Slide) which sends the Head backwards of its centered position. So you've lowered the Right Shoulder but at the cost of your Stationary Pivot Center...... no Pivot center and therefor no circle, no constant radius etc.
And a question for definition sake. Bucket when you say "launching pad" are you using it in the classic right shoulder hangs back and provides something for the Right Arm to thrust off against , in a Drive Loading kinda manner? I for sure see Drag Loading in Startdown for Mr Hogan and I also see his Right Shoulder going right on through the shot to that classic Hogan finish. So Id say its on the move not "hanging back" . Now if your saying he is Thrusting against a "launching pad" that is also moving .......4 Barrel given his Swingers Startdown......then that I could see maybe. Maybe......but before I "blast off" on that one....let me know what you're referring to.
Thanks . . . . but can't take credit for this idea . . . Eddie Cox has been talking about this for awhile now . . . I just never really "got it." . . . feeling . . . connect the right shoulder to the "pocket" above the left elbow joint . . . seems to pressure the lever assembly down
...at the end of his" Pivot" video?
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