thoughts....decided on a pattern

[MizunoJoe]

I'm taking about a generic term called snap release and D is using capitals - Snap Release. I assume then that HK has tied delivery path to release type. When a player gets to a deep release position, about .06 secs from impact, before the LW starts uncocking, that's a snap release in my world, regardless of hand path or down swing plane.

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Snap Release. No.

I'm not judging. You may be a great player. I'm sure you enjoy learning, practicing, improving and playing.

You can swing however you want. But this isn't a Snap Release. So what. Why be so concerned?

Your Right Wrist Cock on the Elbow Plane is way Off Plane. You have developed "Outstanding Hand-Eye Coordination". Go with it.

Here's a homework assignment compare the lag in these three pictures the first one is sergio the other two are me one with punch elbow one with pitch

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The biggest light bulb ever just went off in my head hit some golf balls into the woods at 4 am lol have never felt this before in the swing its so simple... I would definitely call it the total picture biggest break through I have ever had

[Daryl]

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Here's a homework assignment compare the lag in these three pictures the first one is sergio the other two are me one with punch elbow one with pitch


"Lag" is the slight bend in the clubshaft caused by a constant rate of acceleration against Clubhead inertia.

You're simply asking "Who has more 'Right Wrist Cock'"?

[whip]

Which picture shows the most trigger delay which most readers would know as 'lag' which by the way can be defined also by how much trigger delay they have not only dwfined by the clubhead lagging the butt end. The clubhead lags to the hands lag is just something sragging something else and by how much you know what I was referring to.

[Daryl]

Which picture shows the most trigger delay which most readers would know as 'lag' which by the way can be defined also by how much trigger delay they have not only dwfined by the clubhead lagging the butt end. The clubhead lags to the hands lag is just something sragging something else and by how much you know what I was referring to.

It's time for you to understand something. Forget what the TV Golf Pundits tell you. They're knowledge relies on "Voodoo" which rhymes with "Dogpoo".

The Clubhead always trails the Hands the "Correct" amount when the Right Wrist is, and remains, "Bent and Level". Almost 90 Degrees, even at Impact. The distance from the Clubhead to the Right Elbow NEVER changes until Both Arms Straight. Then and Only then, will this distance change.

1.L #8

No proportion of the Lever Assembly can swing forward independently

Trigger delay is like anything else in the Golf Swing. It's a choice but is not chosen. It's determined by other alignments.

[HungryBear]

1.L #8
Trigger delay is like anything else in the Golf Swing. It's a choice but is not chosen. It's determined by other alignments.

Bingo!
And that should be the beginning of the conversation!

HB

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Bingo!
And that should be the beginning of the conversation!

HB

Daryl, I have found your posts not only to be more and more condescending but GROSSLY INACCURATE AND MISREPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOOK AND OF HOMERS HARD WORK. Your commentary seems to get more personal with me, I'm not sure if it's because I try to clarify all of your miscommunications and misconceptions. Ever since Lynn has taken a less active role on the forum, it appears that a lot of members are under the FALSE IMPRESSION that you are the final authority on the golfing machine. I believe it is important to not leave members with the notion that all of these miscommunications and misconceptions on your part are accurate representations of the work of homer kelley. In the future it would help all of us if you would reference in quotes relevant passages of the book to support your interpretations or ideas. If you happen to disagree with the book flatly, that's fine. Just present your evidence against the passages you disagree with in a logical, scientific manner. You are PARADING around this site mimicking homer's writing style and using reference numbers when half the time you are just making stuff up. STOP DOING THAT.

It's time for you to understand something. Forget what the TV Golf Pundits tell you. They're knowledge relies on "Voodoo" which rhymes with "Dogpoo".

Bro I don’t care about your poo or doo… or the tv guys…
NO DARYL, IT’S TIME FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND, let me clear things up for you…

No proportion of the lever assembly can swing forward independently

First off I will say this one is a typo, give you the benefit of the doubt that you would actually think the word proportion makes any sense there. The correct quote is ” no PORTION of the lever assembly…”
NOT proportion….
Also this quote is completely unrelated to the topic…
You claim that the still picture from my video is not showing a snap release here:

Snap Release. No. I'm not judging. You may be a great player. I'm sure you enjoy learning, practicing, improving and playing.
You can swing however you want. But this isn't a Snap Release.

You were referring to these pictures:



( the first one is Sergio Garcia, the second ones are me with slightly more trigger delay than Sergio while both still arriving at a flat left wrist at impact with the clubshaft pointed at the left shoulder)
Next you say this:

Elbow Planes are Random Sweep Releases. Circle Path Deliveries (Zero Pivot) are Sweep Releases and Turned Shoulder Plane / Straight Line Delivery Paths are Snap Releases.

Delivery Path and Release Type are Paired.

Ocean – Water.
Desert - Sand
Elbow Plane - Random Sweep Release

SORRY BUT THIS IS ALL COMPLETELY WRONG and once again you mimic homer’s writing style but unfortunately not his intellect. Where in the book does it say you can’t have a snap release on the elbow plane?

LET ME CLEAR THINGS UP FOR YOU DARYL

THERE IS IN FACT NO PASSAGE IN THE BOOK THAT PAIRS THE ELBOW PLANE WITH A RANDOM SWEEP RELEASE. You must be reading ‘the daryl machine’ that’s a different book…

Delivery path and release type are in fact NOT PAIRED

RELEASE TYPE AND RELEASE POINT IN FACT ARE paired here(from summary of ch.10):

POWER PACKAGE RELEASE
Release Type Release Point
Des.
A Non-automatic- Full Sweep
B Non-automatic Random-Sweep
C Automatic Random- Sweep
D Non-automatic- Snap
E Automatic - Snap
F Automatic - Flip

This above lists the different release types and release points. NOWHERE IN THE BOOK DOES HOMER PAIR RELEASE POINTS WITH PLANE ANGLE, OR DELIVERY PATHS WITH RELEASE TYPES, PERIOD. End of story. Why would he it makes zero sense… why would the delivery path determine the release type?

Could I use a straight line delivery path with a full sweep release? ABSOLUTELY, why not? The line of the hands are not changing, I can uncock the wrist, release the accumulators straight from the top on any plane angle. Use any release type that pairs with its release point aka automatic snap, non-automatic snap, non-automatic full sweep, automatic random sweep, non-automatic random sweep. You can use straight line delivery path with any of these. You could also use an angled line delivery path with any of these.

Looks like there are choices, huh weird, I never would have thought that tgm had options!?!?!?!?!crazy!!!

You claim that an elbow plane snap release is not possible here:

Snap Release not when using an Elbow Plane.

And here:

Oh, I'm not criticizing your swing. It looks really good. I'm just saying - Snap Release on an Elbow Plane?????

You can get close. But Close isn't the same thing

sorry you are wrong.

MAYBE YOU WERE CONFUSED BY THE PORTION I BOLDED OF THIS PASSAGE:

10-6-A. ELBOW Where the Right Elbow touches the waist is the reference
point used for this Plane Angle. It is the flattest normal Plane
that will still allow the Right Forearm to be On Plane during Impact.
This produces a very flat Angle of Attack (2-E) with reduced Backspin
and should be avoided for Short Shots unless it is also part of your Full
Stroke Pattern. The Elbow Plane allows maximum #3 Accumulator requiring
earlier Release per 6-N-0. This procedure is executed by the
Right Forearm per 7-3 and 1O-6-B and Elbow Location per 6-B-3-0-1.

I take it you assumed because it says it requires an earlier release you assumed it meant earlier than snap, and also assumed earlier release was referring to random sweep and only random sweep? In fact it does not say that at all and you are doing A LOT of assuming and once again you are completely incorrect and people think you know what you’re talking about. YOU DON’T

Because of the greater angle of the #3 accumulator, The clubhead covers more area in space as you turn and roll the left hand this is why you must release sooner than a more upright plane angle. To see this in action, Set your hands flat level and vertical and hold the club in the fingers of the left hand as normal, notice the angle between the left arm and clubshaft, this is the #3 accumulator. Keeping your hand in the same place and turn and roll it. Notice how the clubhead moves in space yet the wrist stays in one place, how far it moves in space is determined by this angle. Now grip the club in the palm so the club sits at a plane that is in-line with the left arm, again turn and roll the left wrist in place notice how the clubhead doesnt move in space, it doesn’t cover as much space because the angle is less, in this case it is zero, and therefore can be released later because it has less space to cover as its released.

HOWEVER this does not mean that because the release on the elbow plane is earlier than the turned shoulder plane, that the lag pressure point cannot be “driven through a snap release as if there were to be no release at all” AKA automatic snap release. YOU ABSOLUTELY can have a snap release on the elbow plane or a sweep or whatever you want. It in fact IS A CHOICE and is NOT DETERMINED by other components

Did you think Hogan was on the turned shoulder with his automatic snap release? How about Sergio? They aren’t THEY ARE IN FACT ON THE ELBOW PLANE WITH A SNAP RELEASE
Do you think you can’t sweep release on a turning shoulder plane? The angle at which the club is moving has no relation to the release point. You can use any angle, any release point. Why couldn’t you? Show me in the book where it says that an elbow plane cannot have a snap release show me where they are paired, here’s a clue. THEY AREN’T

10-24-E. AUTOMATIC SNAP RELEASE This procedure drives the
Lag Pressure Point through a Snap Release (6-N-O) as if there were to be
no Release at all…

Where is the part about plane angle? Oh that’s right, it’s not there!

this passage is for you

snap release alters little geometrically but magnifies the physics

Don’t even start me on the rest of your posts. They are minefields of inaccuracies and misrepresentations.

OH I LOVE THIS! YOU’RE MAKING VIDEOS! THE DARYL MACHINE!

Videos are coming along great. Really great. I'm trying to shorten the "Plane Line Tracing" presentation from 30 minutes to 10 minutes. Its tough deciding what to leave out. I decided to use the "Plane Line Tracing" presentation before my "Golfing Machine: Homer Kelley" Introduction video. Then, "Low Point" video, then "Chapter Two", then "Hinging", then "Motion Curriculum", then "Geometry of the Circle".

Its a great video. I actually show you how to "Trace the Plane Line" and what it can do for you. Its fascinating. It will be the first ever video of its kind.

Yikes…..

[Daryl]

Stop whining
You're so sensitive. Taking my comments out of context and adding your own interpretation doesn't help. It only shows how out of control you've become. Trying to discredit me will not fix your problem or your understanding of the concept.

I'm not against you or anyone.

Non-Automatic vs. Automatic Release.
Non-Automatic is used for all Non-Pivot Strokes and "sometimes" when using an "Aiming Point". Automatic Release occurs in Pivot Strokes when "Mechanics" (force and alignment combinations) cause the Right Elbow to Straighten.

Because the Right Wrist is Always Level and Bent, the Right Elbow has control of the Left Wrist Uncocking (Mass based Swings). You can view release as the "Left Wrist Uncocking" but it only Uncocks if the "Right Elbow Straightening" allows.


Snap Release occurs when the Right Elbow travels to the End of the Straight Line Delivery Path when then it is Forced to Straighten because it reached its "End Of The Line". The Hands continue Downplane and consequentially, the Clubhead begins its "Pulley" acceleration cycle.

You can't perform a Snap Release when using the Elbow Plane. It will always be a Random Sweep Release. (don't confuse "Pulley Size" with Release Types. They're only vaguely related)

SOOOOOOOO. When "YOU", and I mean "You", BANG your Elbow into your Right Side (Mechanics), as you ALWAYS do, and your Right Elbow BEGINS to Straighten (Mechanics), as it always does, YOU HAVE TRIGGERED RELEASE (Right Elbow Straightening - more Mechanics). Release Occurred because you Stopped the Elbow from moving (Mechanics), not because it reached the End of a Straight Line Delivery Path.

Furthermore, there is no "Straight Line Delivery Path" in an Elbow Plane. So, there is also "No" Snap Release.

IT'S Named "RANDOM" because the Release Point Changes with each different Length Club and may occur in a different spot for different Players, NOT because YOU have a VARIABLE Release Point. Of course, you can always use an "Aiming Point". The Aiming Point works because it controls Right Shoulder Location. And, in "Pivot Strokes" the Right Shoulder Location has influence over Elbow Location Release Point. Although "Aiming Point" has some valuable application, its only a substitute.

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sorry buddy you're wrong the delivery line does not determine the release

its not named random because the release point changes with each club the release point ALWAYS changes with each club especially with a snap release

a snap release with a driver MUST be at a release point sooner than a snap release with a wedge