How terribly close is hitting and swinging?

[bts]

The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".

[Bagger Lance]

Nuke,

I finally managed to get your video message working. Thanks for clarifying your theory about extensor action in hitting and swinging.

I don't completely agree with your view on the roll of extensor action in swinging. As I mentioned before, Extensor Action is the same for both hitting and swinging. It is only concerned with the arms, not the clubshaft. From a limited standpoint, you can use extensor action with pp#3, but it's use is generally for chip shots. Better off reserving #3 for sensing clubhead lag.

At the top, elbow position is based on the loading. The load is always behind the shaft. Swingers and hitters differ in their loading hence the elbow positions are different, but the load is still directly behind the shaft for both.

Through release, elbow position "effect" is more about hand motion. If the right palm is facing up during release, the forearm/elbow is more pitch. If the right palm is facing the ball, the punch elbow is "in effect".

The pitch/punch elbow release effects are usually a result of the 4-D-0 hand motions of swingers and hitters during release. Swivel and Roll or lack thereof.

This is all in preparation for supporting lag pressure, behind the shaft, through impact.

Again, I really like your thinking and attempt to sort these things out. Let the incubator take over and the answers will come.

Oh, and I wouldn't ever humilate you. You have to exceed my total post number before becoming a target and so far, only one guy is in my crosshairs. (Here comes another Public Group joke). I can read him like a book.

Besides, you're too nice of a guy.

[6bmike]

Alignments Flow, positions don't.

Homer was not against positions in golf, he was against "fixed" position golf. Here is the difference- again, I lead you to the "Where is pp3" video. One of the reasons I made that clip from that part Yoda’s class was because Lynn covered several key points in the span of a few minutes. Load, Lag Pressure, Normal Force, PP3, Line of Sight, Accumulator Roll, 10-2 Single and Strong grip. Where else can you get this stuff? And about the difference between alignment and position golf.

“If you are in Position Golf it becomes an Elbow thing, if you are in Alignment Golf it becomes a Loading thing.”

G.O.L.F. has positions, the ones that alignments produce. The ones the Action flows through. It is not the positions of an eight step program or what an instruction feels your top position must look like. Produce the alignments and don’t fret about what needs to go where.

[nuke99]

Thanks Bagger and Mike.

Its always a challenge to think and connect in different methods.

Another having fun day in LBG


Oh Btw, there is no stamp of approval on this thread.. Treat it as reference, just another point of view. i suggest.

[Bagger Lance]

Thanks Bagger and Mike.

Its always a challenge to think and connect in different methods.

Another having fun day in LBG

We still may not be getting what you are after. In any case, here's a related thread that you were involved in.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=4653

At a minimum I hope all of this helps others.

[nuke99]

Bagger,

As I recalled the Audio tapes when Homer was asked. Why the Swinger can only be Accumulator 4 2 3 and not 4 barrel? His answer is there is no point?

Part of my Video message is trying to explain my understanding of that.

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Another point I am trying to make is how does that difference affect Other parts of the components.

We don't get into that required Alignment( or position) just because its compatible ... its also because of how the Forearm is Aligned , loaded, and supported in the first place. Those alignment becomes, an effect.


Have some fun and think about it.

[Bagger Lance]

Nuke -

Your premise is (correct me if I'm wrong):
Swingers use pressure point 3 for extensor action to pull the clubshaft to the top of the swing and hitters use pressure point 1. Because of this, the flying wedge structure differs for hitters and swingers during the loading process. As a result the elbow naturally folds into a pitch position for swingers and a punch position for hitters.
The rest of your premise is that if a swinger has a pitch elbow, it is impossible to execute a hitting action from that position.

In my opinion, it may appear to work that way in your motion (per your video) but since you are starting with an unusual use of extensor action, several other components are going to be effected. I very much agree that all components flow together but I'm afraid you are starting with the wrong assumptions. But this wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong either.

• The pull of extensor action is not down the clubshaft, it is down the left arm. The pull of extensor action must be below the clubshaft plane unless you are completely zero'ing out the #3 accumulator angle.
• The two ends of the rope for extensor action are the left shoulder joint and the left wrist (flail).
• You can use use #3 to pull the left arm straight, but Homer warns of the danger in the extra pressure causing throw-away (flipping the clubhead). So he only recommends it for short shots.
• Elbow position in the backstroke is a function of clubhead lag loading and if the intent is to drive or drag. (See the video link in 6BMikes post).
• Swingers and Hitters can use punch or pitch elbows.

Maybe it would help to clarify "Extensor Action Takeaway" in 10-19-0
Folks like Yoda, Ted, and our Professional Contributors have had a lot more time digging this stuff out of the dirt than I have.

Others chime in, but there you have my humble opinion. I love extensor action, but I think you are putting much more into it than it really is.

[nuke99]

Bagger, you are correct and I agree + understand all your points, and you got me to understand further points.

The motion I presented in the video is Un-golflike ... and the extensor action does extend below the plane... There is still flaws in my explanation. But to make the point clear I had made a exaggerated motion, trying to explain the following;

1)By supporting the Primary Lever Assembly and Secondary ( by the forearm or extensor action ) . The motion changes and Many of the swing/ hit component will change automatically.


2) As long as your forearm and extensor understand and educated to the No.1 point. The difference of a HIT and a Swing is clear . And all the "symptoms " of a hit and a swing is created.


I think i can better the explanation now.The extensor direction direction is pulling the arms down at setup..

For Hitting, pull the no.1 accumulator and the extensor have the feeling of keep pulling this no 1 accumulator through the cup of the right hand throughout the swing even when the right wrist bends. This way the left arm is like a Wall , something stiff

Swinging.. the accumulator 1 is pulled with the same way.. at the same time during the backswing , the extensor INTENT to pull the shaft via pp 3 and with the right wrist bends.. Thus forearm and extensor action becomes secondary support... and the left arm became a Flail or string.

AND many thanks to you Bagger. I think I got it better now ,

Also Loading and Extensor action are different things... I used to assume its the same .. Major Major incubator hatching !...

Thank you so much !